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18-01-2009, 05:32 PM   #1
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photo driving licence? Read, this will affect you!

Driving licence warning - this may affect you!



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Unwitting motorists face £1,000 fines as thousands of photocard driving licences expire

Thousands of motorists are at risk of being fined up to £1,000 because they are unwittingly driving without a valid licence.

They risk prosecution after failing to spot the extremely small print on their photocard licence which says it automatically expires after 10 years and has to be renewed - even though drivers are licensed to drive until the age of 70.

The fiasco has come to light a decade after the first batch of photo licences was issued in July 1998, just as the they start to expire.
Motoring organisations blamed the Government for the fiasco and said 'most' drivers believed their licences were for life.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/11/...8x293_popup.jpg

A mock-up driving licence from 1998 when the photocards were launched shows the imminent expiry date as item '4b'

They said officials had failed to publicise sufficiently the fact that new-style licences - unlike the old paper ones - expire after a set period and have to be renewed.

To rub salt into wounds, drivers will have to a pay £17.50 to renew their card - a charge which critics have condemned as a 'stealth tax' and which will earn the Treasury an estimated £437million over 25 years.

Official DVLA figures reveal that while 16,136 expired this summer, so far only 11,566 drivers have renewed, leaving 4,570 outstanding.

With another 300,000 photocard licences due to expire over the coming year, experts fear the number of invalid licences will soar, putting thousands more drivers in breach of the law and at risk of a fine.

At the heart of the confusion is the small print on the tiny credit-card-size photo licence, which is used in conjunction with the paper version. Just below the driver name on the front of the photocard licence is a series of dates and details - each one numbered. Number 4b features a date in tiny writing, but no explicit explanation as to what it means.

The date's significance is only explained if the driver turns over the card and reads the key on the back which states that '4b' means 'licence valid to'.

Even more confusingly, an adjacent table on the rear of the card sets out how long the driver is registered to hold a licence - that is until his or her 70th birthday.

A total of 25million new-style licences have been issued but - motoring experts say - drivers were never sufficiently warned they would expire after 10 years.

Motorists who fail to renew their licences in time are allowed to continue driving. But the DVLA says they could be charged with 'failing to surrender their licence', an offence carrying a £1,000 fine.

AA president, Edmund King said: 'It is not generally known that photocard licences expire: there appears to be a lack of information that people will have to renew these licences. People think they have already paid them for once over and that is it. It will come as a surprise to motorists and a shock that they have to pay an extra £17.50.'

The AA called on the Government to use the annual £450million from traffic enforcement fines to offset the renewal charge.

Before photocard licences were introduced, old-style paper licences were valid until the age of 70. Many motorists still believe this to be the case with the new ones.

Driving instructor Tony Carter, of Canterbury, said: 'It's outrageous; everybody thinks their driving licence is for life. Why - when you have already paid £50 for your photocard licence - should you pay the Government an extra £17.50 every 10 years? It's another stealth tax. Drivers will be very annoyed.'

Today the DVLA said the date of expiry was carried on the new-style licences, even though the AA says this is 'not clear'.

The Agency was unable to say whether motorists were told the licences would expire when they were first issued.

It said it was issuing postal reminders to drivers whose photograph was due to expire, to get the renewal message across. But a spokesman admitted this was the limit of the DVLA's publicity.

Experts say many drivers will slip through the net because DVLA records are inaccurate and many motorists have changed address, making it impossible to trace them.

A DVLA spokesman said: 'Previous experience has shown that wide-scale publicity is less effective and can generate enquiries and concerns from those not affected. Instead, DVLA focussed on targeted publicity to ensure that we got the message to the right person at the right time.'

The Driving Standards Agency is allowing L-test candidates with out-of-date photocard licences to sit their driving tests as long as they provide a valid passport. This concession will end in January next year, raising the prospect that some L-test candidates will be turned away.

The DVLA said no one had so far been charged with failing to surrender a licence.
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18-01-2009, 05:42 PM   #2
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I still have my old paper licence which is still in date. Do I need to change to the new photo style? I have been told that I should as a law was passed to change everyone over to the new style...
 

18-01-2009, 06:06 PM   #3
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cheers for this! just checked my credit card license and it expired on the 9th nov last year! Theiving labour government! guess i'm gonna have to renew it though. Can i send the payment in 1p pieces?
 

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cheers for this! just checked my credit card license and it expired on the 9th nov last year! Theiving labour government! guess i'm gonna have to renew it though. Can i send the payment in 1p pieces?
yeah, send it about 12p short as well, and watch them waste more money by sending out another letter.
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18-01-2009, 06:36 PM   #6
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Never knew they expired-thanks for this.
Mines well in date due to amending details following 4 house moves, 2 weddnigs and a divorce(not in that order!)lol
 

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Now it would be very naughty to change address and not inform them but if your new address is not in the uk you can not inform them ! bit like me and many other ex pats and those with no fixed abode we can not renewour licences ..... guess its conform and be allowed to drive be an individual and your f,,,,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nicktabbenor
cheers for this! just checked my credit card license and it expired on the 9th nov last year! Theiving labour government! guess i'm gonna have to renew it though. Can i send the payment in 1p pieces?
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yeah, send it about 12p short as well, and watch them waste more money by sending out another letter.

Nope. They're within their rights to refuse the payment.

1p's are only legal tender for a debt of upto 20 pence

However most places don't stick to those guidelines. More useless crap i've stored from countless days of reading the internet
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I still have my old paper licence which is still in date. Do I need to change to the new photo style? I have been told that I should as a law was passed to change everyone over to the new style...
I was wondering the same^^^^^^^^^^^
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